Trying out this Substack thread feature to ask all you smart folks out there if you have some reasonable reasons why we haven’t (at least, not publicly and officially) been back to the moon in 50 years. Give me all your theories, I’m willing to entertain all ideas, lay it on me.
Is the moon simply a projection? Is it inhabited by aliens? Is DARPA up there building space weapons already? Lizard people living on the dark side of the moon? Links to your own blogs with more in depth narrative is perfectly fine. I want my 🤯 .
And if you have tabs on Elon Musk, can you please ask the man why we would go all the way to Mars to colonize it with Musk Hotels, wouldn’t the gorgeous view of the Earth be a better sell?
the biggest tell with the nasa moon story is that they destroyed the entire mission control system.
name another scientific advance where the initial infrastructure was completely scrapped. did teller and the manhattan project decide that this atom bomb stuff isn't worth pursuing? did fulton just decide to retire his ferry after he got sick of running it back and forth across the river? did steve jobs decide to scrap the operating system he and his open-source army had been painstakingly fine-tuning since the 1970s?
The exact same facility was used for the space shuttle missions up through 1992. The late 70's/early 80's is when they started upgrading the equipment. If that's what you mean by "ripped the guts out."
It all started with this chap called Gary, whose left big toe was incredibly inflamed due to poor personal hygeine and a previous wound. Gary's troubled youth led him to believe he was in fact a ninja, but of course he was just imagining it. When he hurt his big toe, attempting to drop-kick and break a plank to show off to his friends, he accidentally astrally projected himself into the moon, and has ever since been "the man in the moon." Because his astral face became so large, this troubled our Gary no end you see, and so his toe fell off and now it looks as though the moon is kind of grimacing. Which it is. Because of Gary's phantom toe pain. Poor Gary. When people tried to land on his face, Gary became agitated and swiped at them. The only problem was that Gary could only astrally project his FACE onto the moon, and not his arms or hands, so this was largely ineffectual, unfortunately for Gary. Fortunately for Gary, however, was that the astronauts could still sense that they were irksome and unwelcome, and so they scarpered PDQ and left instructions not to go back because of the wrath of Gary. Luckily, due to a massive black-budget psychic mission run by the Americans, NASA listened, and here we have the one true answer to that profound conundrum. The answer = Gary's phantom toe. You're so welcome, honestly. I do what I can in the aid of science.
Oracle Girl recently said the moon is really in the Earth. Ewaranon says it's a projection and that you can see the map of part of the Earth's continents on it. My gut feeling is that man has not been there, at least not in the way we have been led to believe. Beyond that, I know nothing!
I know nothing also. But knowing nothing is a good place to start. Better than knowing something wrongly. My gut feeling is the same, Helen. Something isn’t quite right.
No, lol! They are both a bit different... She's about preparing us for the energetic shifts and assisting us in reconnecting with our individual "source connections" in order to do so and he makes long videos on his theories about what really happened in history. I listen to her a lot, and have followed some of his work with fascination, but only now and again.
I like Oracle Girl’s “embodying more love on this planet!” and will herald it every day. :) I put the rumble link in my cue because it’s 5 hours long but it has def peaked my interest. Thank you for sharing!
We have been back, just not crewed missions. In the last 20 years there's been almost two dozen unmanned missions to either land on the moon or orbit it from China, NASA, the European Space Agency, India, Japan and Israel.
Two years ago a Chinese lander collected 4 pounds of moon rocks/dirt and shot them back to Earth and they've been studying them. They're the first lunar samples to return to Earth since the last Apollo mission.
I still find it strange that there’s been no actual human that has been back. That no other country wanted to send a person up there. That they didn’t want to experiment doing human things up there just to see if they can. Set up an artificial greenhouse? A lab? A test site? Send scientists? Poets? Nuclear waste? At the very least, get much better footage of people walking on the moon for bragging rights. Do you not find it odd?
Not really, because it's incredibly expensive to send people into space, land them on the moon safely and return them safely compared to sending machines. There were supposed to be three additional Apollo missions, but they were canceled as NASA had its budget cut.
But if you want to see updated footage of people walking on the moon, you're in luck because the plan is to have people back up there in about 4 years.
Most definitely looking forward to the moon landing sequel.
As far as it being more expensive, I wonder, if we’re already sending people up in orbit, is it that much more to get them to the moon? We managed to get several Apollo missions in the 60s/70s but didn’t send anyone up there since? Considering it’s only three hours away as we have better technologies, I would think we would try and get folks up there before we would go to Mars. I’m sure that costs more in fuel alone.
You should look at the graph of NASA's budget over the last 60 years. In the early 70's it plummeted. We raced to put astronauts on the moon before the Soviets and then, when we won the race, spending money on space exploration lost a lot of political support.
But you're right: the moon is a logical stepping stone to Mars, and that's why NASA is going back.
"Something just doesn't feel right about it."
At this point you should probably just come right out and say what you're hemming and hawing around. What do you suspect is happening?
I really don’t know and it’s why I’m putting the question out there. It’s hard to accept that it’s happening because of lack of funds. There is so much empty printed money floating around. Even in the private sector as we saw both Bezos and Musk go up in orbit just to do it.
My sus is based on the fact that there are powerful and rich people on this earth who have been involved with shady dealings and clandestine methods for decades and we plebs have had to take whatever reason is tossed out at face value. And since no authority figure comes out to a.) admit involvement and b.) offer true mea culpas in the form of transparency, I’m left hemming and hawing around with no real answers.
No American has been back because we had no profitable reason to go. No one else has been because it's beyond the capability or capital of the rest of the planet.
I think your picture says it all. Which place looks like the one where you want to live? Besides NASA being an endless endeavor to disprove the existence of God through the con of evolution (to justify immorality) while giving the masses something to be ‘proud of’, spending money for the sake of spending money seems to be the government’s motivation. Elon Musk on the other hand I haven’t figured out his motivation other than reenforce his visionary persona and perhaps make money while doing it. I get the whole ‘science driver’ and technology spinoff argument, but the US is already bankrupt.
So you think we aren't going to the moon because we can't afford it?
And no, I definitely don't want to live on the moon, but... I would love to visit the moon and look at our beautiful earth from there and see what stirs inside, the feeling of equal expansion and insignificance.
Also NASA would have a hard time disproving the existence of God (however one envisions a grand intelligence/design/creator/universe/simulation) because it's a priori to our existence.
Musk... alas, a rabbit hole for another time. But I agree about the difficulty of figuring out his motivations.
From what I hear, Musk wants to go to Mars himself and live in his Mars colony. Maybe his long term plans for Mars include Martian self sufficiency, and eventually independence from Earth. If he has boots on the ground on Mars and his rockets are the only means to get there, he will have de facto control of Mars weather the US or UN or any other Earth government has a problem with it or not. It takes a while to get to Mars, so his independent Martian government would have plenty of time to intercept and destroy any would be invaders from Earth.
Forgot to mention, I do not belittle the achieved moon landing one damn bit. It was a monumental achievement worth being proud of, and an inspiration. I'm not saying we didn't get our money's worth in that regard. I just think it's not on the top of my list of right things to do now.
I’m inspired when I look at the stars too, turning me into a 7 year old wistfully gazing into the sky and wishing to explore it one day (even if by proxy). One of my earliest memories of what to be when I grew up was an astronaut. And a circus performer. 😂
LOL, no I think that they don't care that we can't afford it and will likely fund a new attempt. As for the view from the moon, I can't imagine the beauty, it would be beyond words. I agree that NASA will never disprove the existence of God but they have their cult of followers who have already concluded that exact thing. So they keep trying. Musk, LOL, a puzzle but very entertaining!
It's just that as difficult as it is, we are still going out there, (satellites and space X and Mars hotel projects) but we are avoiding the moon. We haven't been back there in 50 years. And not just us (US), other countries too.
Why is everything gearing up for 2030?!? 😂 thanks for the link. Looks like the concern that it’s China is bigger than the fact that we haven’t put any man up on the moon in 50 years.
I saw a video about 1 year ago where in a person kept having a certain word that was popping into his head. when he went to check on it (I cannot remember the word, which was a name or label) he found out that it was an asteroid heading towards earth. Some say on a definite collision course and others say a near miss. Scheduled to arrive circa 2029. Could be something and could not be something, just thought I would offer up a bit of nothing. actually here is the link not to the video but the asteroid. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/nasa-analysis-earth-is-safe-from-asteroid-apophis-for-100-plus-years
my guess is that there is more money to be made in wars and selling arms. Big business and booming right now. the moon is hard to monetize, wars are easy to start and monetize. Sickness is also easy to monetize, and you can even make sick stuff up to monetize.
Monetization works as an incentive up to a point. There are those who have so much wealth that I would think the potency and luster fades? Do you think the moon is just a hunk of rock with no built in value or just not enough of a value currently and not enough of a value throughout the last fifty years?
too many things that are easier to monetize. Look at the war in Ukraine, the wealthy countries are pouring billions of dollars in arms into Ukraine. Easy-peasy, and we are all rooting for one side or the other and those that make the arms are getting richer by the second. Hard to do this with the moon. What would be a plan for monetizing the moon? Mining, very expensive to mine.
Using it for a military post? missiles launched from there would be picked up many hours before they could hit a target, so I do not see any incentive monetarily to go to the moon.
I agree with you. Yet I have a gnawing feeling that the monetization of wars such as the Ukraine conflict is just a nice side hustle; that the real geo-political reasons at play are bigger than wealth. And for some people/orgs, perhaps the only incentive, but for others, there is something else afoot.
Mmmmmaybe? I really don't know. I'm putting the question out there because my feeling is there are more plausible explanations than what's out there. Something akin to someone(s) way up on the top know a secret that cannot be divulged under any circumstance. Something that will profoundly change our collective reality.
Take your visitors, for example: if everyone had the connection you did, how can we (civilization) view reality the same we have been? Impossible.
This is something that has been on my mind for a long time. Why do I get these visitors that educate me. Why have I seen 1st hand the things that I have. I think I know the answer, but now is not the time for me to share my conclusion.
We went, got rocks, analyzed them, and found little of value. We even brought a car up there and drove it around, just for fun. And then we realized we'd done all there was to do on a lifeless, nearly valueless rock, so we came home, and no one else has been able to afford it since.
Even were the moon made of gold dust, there is no economically viable recovery technology at this time. That is, any known or developed technology currently would cost more per ounce than the gold would be worth.
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The "we" people have not gone back to the Moon in more than 50 years for the simple reason that they —the "we" people— never went there in the first place. But the "we" people, in their relentless naïveté, believe they're going “back” with Artemis soon. And in a few years' time, the "we" guys and gals will travel to Mars with Musk, the fake musketeer. Still, in the same metal tubes and propulsion systems of the 20th-century that dropped bombs in London and blow up in the sky every so often, à la Challenger and Columbia. Good to put things in low-Earth orbit, no doubt. But going to the Moon and Mars in these extremely-limited flying bombs is pure and undiluted Star Trek stuff.
So I ask: when will the "we" people go to the Moon? The answer is never. Q: Who will and when, then? A: Those wise men and women who learn to harness the power of gravity —by inversion— and the untapped potential of the Sun’s radiating energies, and apply these to traveling machines. This is the concept of "zero-gravity." At that technological point, humans will no longer need to overpopulate central cities; concrete and asphalt roads and bridges will be needed no more, nor will ocean ships, jet planes, helicopters, trucks, buses or cars. Millions of small towns will pop up all over the surface of the Earth, without any restrictions. Wherever you want to be, that's where you will be. Including Moon and Mars. And we (not just "the "we") will all be happier than pigs in shit!
PS: no fucking vaccines, none, will be allowed in the zero-gravity, new world.
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This is a simple question to answer. Apart from the ocean of lies out there, we've never been to the moon. That info and ample video is out there just as much as it's out there that Bldg. 7 fell DUE TO A DECISION MADE by its owner and others, TO TAKE IT DOWN. But people can't see that, so few if any of those people will see this.
Then there's THIS pantload for anyone that actually believes it;
Keep in mind that we can send one to Mars, but not the Moon because the technology doesn't exist anymore, particularly since we've regressed technologically from a computer programming perspective over the last half century. (extreme sarcasm)
Keep in mind we've also supposedly sent an enormous telescope, if it's all to be believed, beyond our solar system (several billion miles), but we don't have the technology to do the same a couple hundred thousand miles. It's "science" made for morons just like most government "science."
Lastly, and most tellingly and relevantly, we could quite easily and inexpensively send up an unmanned rover to the moon, but the problem there is the lack of atmosphere. In such an environment, on top of the lander, flags, and all the other trash left up there, it and the landscape behind it, would have to be in the EXACT SAME PLACES! THAT'S why it'll never happen.
In fact, if they wanted to, they could go LOOONG way to dispelling this "conspiracy theory," to be contrasted with the actual Moon Landing Conspiracy, and would in a matter of moments do so. Alas, the Arizona or Nevada (or whichever) desert they filmed it in, is clearly not in a no atmosphere environment, so ... well, that ship has sailed permanently. Anything else would have to be CGI and graphical subterfuge.
The government has already admitted that what was on the TV back then as "moon landing coverage" was all faked, staged, and contrived. Why? Because they wanted to show us something to "prove" it. So apparently making a movie short(s) and lying about it was the answer.
Keep in mind that they only came clean on that well AFTER it became known otherwise and from sources outside the government, which makes its own statement.
I'm a newbie. Every rabbit hole I go down, more pop up. The holes are multiplying like rabbits, I tell ya! I agree about Yuri's demoralization, definitely.
You must first understand how they are all organized from the top (of the pyramid) on down. If you believe that the WEF for example is that top, then you're misled. There are at least two levels above that. We have a bunch of featured videos on our facebook group page. Are you on facebook?
BTW, once you understand how they're organized, everything falls into place quite nicely. But I'll warn you, that the reality is almost the complete opposite of what's been societally taught over the decades. Rockefeller coopted both the "educational" (indocrination) institutions as well as the neutriceutical industry in favor of the "medical" (I don't use the word health) industry, and industries/systems they are. Many people are limited (thoroughly demoralized) to the extent that they simply cannot change their world view because it so drastically counters almost everything that we're told. THAT'S why we are where we are. Even people in these threads fail to grasp this, and on substack.
For example, if you have difficulty believing that 9-11 was not what they said it was, and a deliberate demolition instead, then the odds of understanding what's going on now with largely invisible things is nil. Even Larry Silverstein, the owner of Bldg. 7 stated quite plainly in a video record interview, that they "MADE THE DECISION" to bring Bldg. 7 down. That's the building that housed all the government records re: ENRON investigation, was a home for the FBI, CIA, "State Dept." etc.
I have a Fb account, but I don’t engage on that platform often. But I’ll poke around if you send me the link.
I have taken most of the inferential steps you speak of. Yes about 9/11, yes, WEF is just the public facing entity and the people who are really pulling the strings are those whose names we might not actually know, although some of the families like Rockefeller, Rothschild, etc are known. I’m mucking my way slowly through everything and trying to connect multiple dots. There’s just so much. It’s an avalanche.
It is an avalanche, very astute observation. That means you're on the right path here. I've been studying this stuff, in general, for over 30 years. Once the internet matured it was so much easier.
You appear to be very open to developments in understanding, which is good, and more than I can say for most people. I typically won't engage people unless I see in them a desire to truly understand, and not merely have their curiosity scratched but only to the extent that they want to and that it doesn't interfere with their current world-view. I've learned that those people don't really want to know the truth. Which is fine, I have a friend in NY State that has told me plainly, he prefers the ignorance-is-bliss stance.
Well, when you really delve into all the theories about what really happened why we never went there again.. the truth is rather eye opening. So take this with a grain of salt but it's been my passion to find out the truth about what's really going on in space. What I'm about to say will sound crazy to many people because the reality of it is so far beyond what we are used to.. but it's the truth for me.
If you watch the discovery channel documentaries about all the abnormalities of the moon landing etc. you are conditioned into believing that we never went there and that it was just all a "fake" moon landing.
When you delve further into the topic from all types of different information sources, it turns out that we actually did go to the moon... much earlier than were told to have gone there. The Nazis were the first, followed by a joint mission of American and Soviet people who were welcomed by the Nazis who had already established a base there. They knew what was up there.. many bases belonging to many different alien civilizations, crashed spaceships, destroyed domes.. it was impossible for them to show what's really at the surface of the moon without also telling people that they are not alone and very much connected to many alien civilizations. So they faked the whole 1969 moon landing. Most of the footage was recorded in a studio. Hence the weird anomalies of the footage.
Ever since, they opened up 2 new bases on the Moon (already fully operational by the 70s) and the Nazi's transfered ownership of their own base to the secret space programs of the west. They've been regularly going to the Moon since the 50's. They never stopped. They just don't tell people that they're going because if they did, it invites millions of other questions about what's going on over there. They would have to fake a lot of new footage. It's extremely easy to get there with their fancy old alien reproduction vehicles which create a field around the craft that shields it from normal momentum effects and altering gravity.
I can totally see that being the case. My sense that the reason we “didn’t go to the moon again” is that “we did and we couldn’t talk about what we saw there.” You lay it out in more detail, all of which I haven’t done any research on, but I’m sure others have, and still it feels more plausible than “we couldn’t afford it.” As a layman, it feels that way, anyway.
I forget how but someone flipped this on its head and makes the point that is weird we went at all given the expense. If the USSR didn't care about space we would never have bothered going beyond low orbit. Maybe we're waiting for another communist rival to get our juices going.
I'm not sure what to make of it all. It does seem odd to me we haven't gone back and definitely feeds into the conspiracies if we ever went at all.. Which are awesome and I'll never not enjoy speculating about them.
I missed your final comment - I agree completely, going to Mars is orders of magnitude more costly and risky than the Moon. We would be far better off trying a Moon colony first, which we could reach in a few days in case of need or emergency.
I like how you came in here and dropped a few no nonsense comments. 😂 a few folks on this thread agree with this assessment.
I disagree that the moon is a useless rock. Maybe there’s no money in it. Or at least none that is conspicuous but maybe a perfect place to go play with say, risky GoF research? Or run tests on how long before a human can last with cosmic radiation? I don’t know, sciences stuff?
I'm sorry, but I have to jump in here. I've read almost all the comments and I'm amazed, but in a sad way. We haven't been 'back' because we never went to begin with. THE EARTH IS FLAT!!! You linked the Ewaranon documentary and that is where you should all start. Forget the fact that 'space' (as we are brainwashed) is physically and scientifically impossible, just look at the world of construction. It's simple geometry. How do you find LEVEL on a ball??(NO ONE has ever been taught this in school) I'll help you.... YOU CAN'T.
All measurements must have a reference point. On a 'globe', that point MUST be the center of the sphere. Which means what? It means that you will NEVER be able to have vertical parallel lines to construct a wall, let alone a building over 2000 feet tall (in Dubai). In the same vain, you can't have perpendicular on that sphere BECAUSE THERE IS NO LEVEL POINT ANYWHERE.
Every blueprint that has ever been created has ONE thing in common, a flat level surface. Now that's not to say there aren't elevation changes, like mountains and valleys. But there has never been an accounting for curvature on said blueprints. And I guarantee if you ask every surveyor what their formula was to account for said curvature, they'll look at you like you have three heads.
Besides, water is the only proof you need. It's called sea LEVEL for a reason. The word horizontal comes from HORIZON, not CURVIZON😳😂 and water cannot flow UP the ball, like the Nile or even the Amazon. It always seeks the lowest point.
the biggest tell with the nasa moon story is that they destroyed the entire mission control system.
name another scientific advance where the initial infrastructure was completely scrapped. did teller and the manhattan project decide that this atom bomb stuff isn't worth pursuing? did fulton just decide to retire his ferry after he got sick of running it back and forth across the river? did steve jobs decide to scrap the operating system he and his open-source army had been painstakingly fine-tuning since the 1970s?
Ain't that the truth tho? I can't think of anything close to it. I want to know why!!
Apollo mission control was never "destroyed." It was renovated a few years ago and they opened it to the public.
they ripped the guts out in the 70s
The exact same facility was used for the space shuttle missions up through 1992. The late 70's/early 80's is when they started upgrading the equipment. If that's what you mean by "ripped the guts out."
It all started with this chap called Gary, whose left big toe was incredibly inflamed due to poor personal hygeine and a previous wound. Gary's troubled youth led him to believe he was in fact a ninja, but of course he was just imagining it. When he hurt his big toe, attempting to drop-kick and break a plank to show off to his friends, he accidentally astrally projected himself into the moon, and has ever since been "the man in the moon." Because his astral face became so large, this troubled our Gary no end you see, and so his toe fell off and now it looks as though the moon is kind of grimacing. Which it is. Because of Gary's phantom toe pain. Poor Gary. When people tried to land on his face, Gary became agitated and swiped at them. The only problem was that Gary could only astrally project his FACE onto the moon, and not his arms or hands, so this was largely ineffectual, unfortunately for Gary. Fortunately for Gary, however, was that the astronauts could still sense that they were irksome and unwelcome, and so they scarpered PDQ and left instructions not to go back because of the wrath of Gary. Luckily, due to a massive black-budget psychic mission run by the Americans, NASA listened, and here we have the one true answer to that profound conundrum. The answer = Gary's phantom toe. You're so welcome, honestly. I do what I can in the aid of science.
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Oracle Girl recently said the moon is really in the Earth. Ewaranon says it's a projection and that you can see the map of part of the Earth's continents on it. My gut feeling is that man has not been there, at least not in the way we have been led to believe. Beyond that, I know nothing!
I know nothing also. But knowing nothing is a good place to start. Better than knowing something wrongly. My gut feeling is the same, Helen. Something isn’t quite right.
Where are Oracle Girl and Ewaranon? Substack?
No, lol! They are both a bit different... She's about preparing us for the energetic shifts and assisting us in reconnecting with our individual "source connections" in order to do so and he makes long videos on his theories about what really happened in history. I listen to her a lot, and have followed some of his work with fascination, but only now and again.
https://www.oraclegirl.org/
https://rumble.com/vm0mf7-the-lost-history-of-earth-full-5-hour-documentary-by-ewaranon-mirrored.html
I like Oracle Girl’s “embodying more love on this planet!” and will herald it every day. :) I put the rumble link in my cue because it’s 5 hours long but it has def peaked my interest. Thank you for sharing!
I will check these out. Thanks!
We have been back, just not crewed missions. In the last 20 years there's been almost two dozen unmanned missions to either land on the moon or orbit it from China, NASA, the European Space Agency, India, Japan and Israel.
Two years ago a Chinese lander collected 4 pounds of moon rocks/dirt and shot them back to Earth and they've been studying them. They're the first lunar samples to return to Earth since the last Apollo mission.
I still find it strange that there’s been no actual human that has been back. That no other country wanted to send a person up there. That they didn’t want to experiment doing human things up there just to see if they can. Set up an artificial greenhouse? A lab? A test site? Send scientists? Poets? Nuclear waste? At the very least, get much better footage of people walking on the moon for bragging rights. Do you not find it odd?
Not really, because it's incredibly expensive to send people into space, land them on the moon safely and return them safely compared to sending machines. There were supposed to be three additional Apollo missions, but they were canceled as NASA had its budget cut.
But if you want to see updated footage of people walking on the moon, you're in luck because the plan is to have people back up there in about 4 years.
Most definitely looking forward to the moon landing sequel.
As far as it being more expensive, I wonder, if we’re already sending people up in orbit, is it that much more to get them to the moon? We managed to get several Apollo missions in the 60s/70s but didn’t send anyone up there since? Considering it’s only three hours away as we have better technologies, I would think we would try and get folks up there before we would go to Mars. I’m sure that costs more in fuel alone.
Something just doesn’t feel right about it.
You should look at the graph of NASA's budget over the last 60 years. In the early 70's it plummeted. We raced to put astronauts on the moon before the Soviets and then, when we won the race, spending money on space exploration lost a lot of political support.
But you're right: the moon is a logical stepping stone to Mars, and that's why NASA is going back.
"Something just doesn't feel right about it."
At this point you should probably just come right out and say what you're hemming and hawing around. What do you suspect is happening?
I really don’t know and it’s why I’m putting the question out there. It’s hard to accept that it’s happening because of lack of funds. There is so much empty printed money floating around. Even in the private sector as we saw both Bezos and Musk go up in orbit just to do it.
My sus is based on the fact that there are powerful and rich people on this earth who have been involved with shady dealings and clandestine methods for decades and we plebs have had to take whatever reason is tossed out at face value. And since no authority figure comes out to a.) admit involvement and b.) offer true mea culpas in the form of transparency, I’m left hemming and hawing around with no real answers.
Maybe it is being set up as the ultimate safe space for the elite.
I hope that you find a satisfactory answer
No American has been back because we had no profitable reason to go. No one else has been because it's beyond the capability or capital of the rest of the planet.
I think your picture says it all. Which place looks like the one where you want to live? Besides NASA being an endless endeavor to disprove the existence of God through the con of evolution (to justify immorality) while giving the masses something to be ‘proud of’, spending money for the sake of spending money seems to be the government’s motivation. Elon Musk on the other hand I haven’t figured out his motivation other than reenforce his visionary persona and perhaps make money while doing it. I get the whole ‘science driver’ and technology spinoff argument, but the US is already bankrupt.
So you think we aren't going to the moon because we can't afford it?
And no, I definitely don't want to live on the moon, but... I would love to visit the moon and look at our beautiful earth from there and see what stirs inside, the feeling of equal expansion and insignificance.
Also NASA would have a hard time disproving the existence of God (however one envisions a grand intelligence/design/creator/universe/simulation) because it's a priori to our existence.
Musk... alas, a rabbit hole for another time. But I agree about the difficulty of figuring out his motivations.
From what I hear, Musk wants to go to Mars himself and live in his Mars colony. Maybe his long term plans for Mars include Martian self sufficiency, and eventually independence from Earth. If he has boots on the ground on Mars and his rockets are the only means to get there, he will have de facto control of Mars weather the US or UN or any other Earth government has a problem with it or not. It takes a while to get to Mars, so his independent Martian government would have plenty of time to intercept and destroy any would be invaders from Earth.
You have come up with a title for that movie, I'd watch it.
If Hollywood is an arm of the CIA, I’m sure it’s already in their cue. 😂
😮 “Martian self sufficiency” -that even has a great alliteration ring to it.
Forgot to mention, I do not belittle the achieved moon landing one damn bit. It was a monumental achievement worth being proud of, and an inspiration. I'm not saying we didn't get our money's worth in that regard. I just think it's not on the top of my list of right things to do now.
I’m inspired when I look at the stars too, turning me into a 7 year old wistfully gazing into the sky and wishing to explore it one day (even if by proxy). One of my earliest memories of what to be when I grew up was an astronaut. And a circus performer. 😂
LOL, no I think that they don't care that we can't afford it and will likely fund a new attempt. As for the view from the moon, I can't imagine the beauty, it would be beyond words. I agree that NASA will never disprove the existence of God but they have their cult of followers who have already concluded that exact thing. So they keep trying. Musk, LOL, a puzzle but very entertaining!
No, we're not going to the Moon because there's no *money* in it.
We learned how hard it was to do anything in outer space.
When we think we can gain net value from the (solar, primarily) energy in outer space, we will engage in far more space exploration.
It's just that as difficult as it is, we are still going out there, (satellites and space X and Mars hotel projects) but we are avoiding the moon. We haven't been back there in 50 years. And not just us (US), other countries too.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202208/1273481.shtml
Why is everything gearing up for 2030?!? 😂 thanks for the link. Looks like the concern that it’s China is bigger than the fact that we haven’t put any man up on the moon in 50 years.
I saw a video about 1 year ago where in a person kept having a certain word that was popping into his head. when he went to check on it (I cannot remember the word, which was a name or label) he found out that it was an asteroid heading towards earth. Some say on a definite collision course and others say a near miss. Scheduled to arrive circa 2029. Could be something and could not be something, just thought I would offer up a bit of nothing. actually here is the link not to the video but the asteroid. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/nasa-analysis-earth-is-safe-from-asteroid-apophis-for-100-plus-years
another link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BcmhIBhi30
😬remember that movie by Lars Von Trier, “Melancholia”? Having to hold your kids as the giant meteor approaches and with it brings certain death?
actually, no do not remember that movie. I am out of the loop on many things, I had to ask a friend what was the Streisand effect.
I infer You hold there was a manned landing, then?
my guess is that there is more money to be made in wars and selling arms. Big business and booming right now. the moon is hard to monetize, wars are easy to start and monetize. Sickness is also easy to monetize, and you can even make sick stuff up to monetize.
Monetization works as an incentive up to a point. There are those who have so much wealth that I would think the potency and luster fades? Do you think the moon is just a hunk of rock with no built in value or just not enough of a value currently and not enough of a value throughout the last fifty years?
too many things that are easier to monetize. Look at the war in Ukraine, the wealthy countries are pouring billions of dollars in arms into Ukraine. Easy-peasy, and we are all rooting for one side or the other and those that make the arms are getting richer by the second. Hard to do this with the moon. What would be a plan for monetizing the moon? Mining, very expensive to mine.
Using it for a military post? missiles launched from there would be picked up many hours before they could hit a target, so I do not see any incentive monetarily to go to the moon.
I agree with you. Yet I have a gnawing feeling that the monetization of wars such as the Ukraine conflict is just a nice side hustle; that the real geo-political reasons at play are bigger than wealth. And for some people/orgs, perhaps the only incentive, but for others, there is something else afoot.
you mean like getting rid of useless eaters, or completely usurping the Cosmos, maybe a pretender/wannabe?
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Mmmmmaybe? I really don't know. I'm putting the question out there because my feeling is there are more plausible explanations than what's out there. Something akin to someone(s) way up on the top know a secret that cannot be divulged under any circumstance. Something that will profoundly change our collective reality.
Take your visitors, for example: if everyone had the connection you did, how can we (civilization) view reality the same we have been? Impossible.
This is something that has been on my mind for a long time. Why do I get these visitors that educate me. Why have I seen 1st hand the things that I have. I think I know the answer, but now is not the time for me to share my conclusion.
We went, got rocks, analyzed them, and found little of value. We even brought a car up there and drove it around, just for fun. And then we realized we'd done all there was to do on a lifeless, nearly valueless rock, so we came home, and no one else has been able to afford it since.
There is a web post that says the Chinese have found valuable minerals/elements there, https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1256907.shtml?id=11
whether or not this will prove to be a viable mining operations has yet to be determined.
Even were the moon made of gold dust, there is no economically viable recovery technology at this time. That is, any known or developed technology currently would cost more per ounce than the gold would be worth.
my thoughts exactly, the only thing would be if there were isotopes that were extremely valuable in small amounts.
https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/
He revolutionized my understanding of the presumed moon landing
I will check this link out, thanks.
The "we" people have not gone back to the Moon in more than 50 years for the simple reason that they —the "we" people— never went there in the first place. But the "we" people, in their relentless naïveté, believe they're going “back” with Artemis soon. And in a few years' time, the "we" guys and gals will travel to Mars with Musk, the fake musketeer. Still, in the same metal tubes and propulsion systems of the 20th-century that dropped bombs in London and blow up in the sky every so often, à la Challenger and Columbia. Good to put things in low-Earth orbit, no doubt. But going to the Moon and Mars in these extremely-limited flying bombs is pure and undiluted Star Trek stuff.
So I ask: when will the "we" people go to the Moon? The answer is never. Q: Who will and when, then? A: Those wise men and women who learn to harness the power of gravity —by inversion— and the untapped potential of the Sun’s radiating energies, and apply these to traveling machines. This is the concept of "zero-gravity." At that technological point, humans will no longer need to overpopulate central cities; concrete and asphalt roads and bridges will be needed no more, nor will ocean ships, jet planes, helicopters, trucks, buses or cars. Millions of small towns will pop up all over the surface of the Earth, without any restrictions. Wherever you want to be, that's where you will be. Including Moon and Mars. And we (not just "the "we") will all be happier than pigs in shit!
PS: no fucking vaccines, none, will be allowed in the zero-gravity, new world.
🤯 love your vision of the future.
Thanks! ;))
This is a simple question to answer. Apart from the ocean of lies out there, we've never been to the moon. That info and ample video is out there just as much as it's out there that Bldg. 7 fell DUE TO A DECISION MADE by its owner and others, TO TAKE IT DOWN. But people can't see that, so few if any of those people will see this.
Then there's THIS pantload for anyone that actually believes it;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jn2fMYyxEc
Keep in mind that we can send one to Mars, but not the Moon because the technology doesn't exist anymore, particularly since we've regressed technologically from a computer programming perspective over the last half century. (extreme sarcasm)
Keep in mind we've also supposedly sent an enormous telescope, if it's all to be believed, beyond our solar system (several billion miles), but we don't have the technology to do the same a couple hundred thousand miles. It's "science" made for morons just like most government "science."
Lastly, and most tellingly and relevantly, we could quite easily and inexpensively send up an unmanned rover to the moon, but the problem there is the lack of atmosphere. In such an environment, on top of the lander, flags, and all the other trash left up there, it and the landscape behind it, would have to be in the EXACT SAME PLACES! THAT'S why it'll never happen.
In fact, if they wanted to, they could go LOOONG way to dispelling this "conspiracy theory," to be contrasted with the actual Moon Landing Conspiracy, and would in a matter of moments do so. Alas, the Arizona or Nevada (or whichever) desert they filmed it in, is clearly not in a no atmosphere environment, so ... well, that ship has sailed permanently. Anything else would have to be CGI and graphical subterfuge.
The government has already admitted that what was on the TV back then as "moon landing coverage" was all faked, staged, and contrived. Why? Because they wanted to show us something to "prove" it. So apparently making a movie short(s) and lying about it was the answer.
Keep in mind that they only came clean on that well AFTER it became known otherwise and from sources outside the government, which makes its own statement.
Holy shit, is that video real?!?
Of course it is, I don't use fake videos.
Haven't you seen the Wikileaks dump?
I mean stuff we've known for decades, but they now tell it to us straight.
It fits Yuri Bezmenov's definition of demoralization to a T.
I'm a newbie. Every rabbit hole I go down, more pop up. The holes are multiplying like rabbits, I tell ya! I agree about Yuri's demoralization, definitely.
You must first understand how they are all organized from the top (of the pyramid) on down. If you believe that the WEF for example is that top, then you're misled. There are at least two levels above that. We have a bunch of featured videos on our facebook group page. Are you on facebook?
BTW, once you understand how they're organized, everything falls into place quite nicely. But I'll warn you, that the reality is almost the complete opposite of what's been societally taught over the decades. Rockefeller coopted both the "educational" (indocrination) institutions as well as the neutriceutical industry in favor of the "medical" (I don't use the word health) industry, and industries/systems they are. Many people are limited (thoroughly demoralized) to the extent that they simply cannot change their world view because it so drastically counters almost everything that we're told. THAT'S why we are where we are. Even people in these threads fail to grasp this, and on substack.
For example, if you have difficulty believing that 9-11 was not what they said it was, and a deliberate demolition instead, then the odds of understanding what's going on now with largely invisible things is nil. Even Larry Silverstein, the owner of Bldg. 7 stated quite plainly in a video record interview, that they "MADE THE DECISION" to bring Bldg. 7 down. That's the building that housed all the government records re: ENRON investigation, was a home for the FBI, CIA, "State Dept." etc.
I have a Fb account, but I don’t engage on that platform often. But I’ll poke around if you send me the link.
I have taken most of the inferential steps you speak of. Yes about 9/11, yes, WEF is just the public facing entity and the people who are really pulling the strings are those whose names we might not actually know, although some of the families like Rockefeller, Rothschild, etc are known. I’m mucking my way slowly through everything and trying to connect multiple dots. There’s just so much. It’s an avalanche.
It is an avalanche, very astute observation. That means you're on the right path here. I've been studying this stuff, in general, for over 30 years. Once the internet matured it was so much easier.
You appear to be very open to developments in understanding, which is good, and more than I can say for most people. I typically won't engage people unless I see in them a desire to truly understand, and not merely have their curiosity scratched but only to the extent that they want to and that it doesn't interfere with their current world-view. I've learned that those people don't really want to know the truth. Which is fine, I have a friend in NY State that has told me plainly, he prefers the ignorance-is-bliss stance.
You're not in the NoVA region by chance, are you?
I think I had to subscribe to you.
Well, any information you want, please ask. For some reason I'm not getting notifications of your replies. I'll try to figure out why.
Well, when you really delve into all the theories about what really happened why we never went there again.. the truth is rather eye opening. So take this with a grain of salt but it's been my passion to find out the truth about what's really going on in space. What I'm about to say will sound crazy to many people because the reality of it is so far beyond what we are used to.. but it's the truth for me.
If you watch the discovery channel documentaries about all the abnormalities of the moon landing etc. you are conditioned into believing that we never went there and that it was just all a "fake" moon landing.
When you delve further into the topic from all types of different information sources, it turns out that we actually did go to the moon... much earlier than were told to have gone there. The Nazis were the first, followed by a joint mission of American and Soviet people who were welcomed by the Nazis who had already established a base there. They knew what was up there.. many bases belonging to many different alien civilizations, crashed spaceships, destroyed domes.. it was impossible for them to show what's really at the surface of the moon without also telling people that they are not alone and very much connected to many alien civilizations. So they faked the whole 1969 moon landing. Most of the footage was recorded in a studio. Hence the weird anomalies of the footage.
Ever since, they opened up 2 new bases on the Moon (already fully operational by the 70s) and the Nazi's transfered ownership of their own base to the secret space programs of the west. They've been regularly going to the Moon since the 50's. They never stopped. They just don't tell people that they're going because if they did, it invites millions of other questions about what's going on over there. They would have to fake a lot of new footage. It's extremely easy to get there with their fancy old alien reproduction vehicles which create a field around the craft that shields it from normal momentum effects and altering gravity.
I can totally see that being the case. My sense that the reason we “didn’t go to the moon again” is that “we did and we couldn’t talk about what we saw there.” You lay it out in more detail, all of which I haven’t done any research on, but I’m sure others have, and still it feels more plausible than “we couldn’t afford it.” As a layman, it feels that way, anyway.
I forget how but someone flipped this on its head and makes the point that is weird we went at all given the expense. If the USSR didn't care about space we would never have bothered going beyond low orbit. Maybe we're waiting for another communist rival to get our juices going.
I'm not sure what to make of it all. It does seem odd to me we haven't gone back and definitely feeds into the conspiracies if we ever went at all.. Which are awesome and I'll never not enjoy speculating about them.
The moon is just too much of a fun one. And plenty of rabbit holes that connect other conspiracy theories!
I missed your final comment - I agree completely, going to Mars is orders of magnitude more costly and risky than the Moon. We would be far better off trying a Moon colony first, which we could reach in a few days in case of need or emergency.
And before we can have humans living up there, it would be be helpful to see if we can have an artificial green house or something...
The simplest, most basic reason of all: there's no profit.
I like how you came in here and dropped a few no nonsense comments. 😂 a few folks on this thread agree with this assessment.
I disagree that the moon is a useless rock. Maybe there’s no money in it. Or at least none that is conspicuous but maybe a perfect place to go play with say, risky GoF research? Or run tests on how long before a human can last with cosmic radiation? I don’t know, sciences stuff?
We could, but such research is far more economically done in a far nearer orbit or underground right here on Earth. :)
Bro we are synching up big time again. Just about finished 2000 words on moon conspiracies 👀
That is most excellent news! What better initiation for me than the wombat hole!
I'm sorry, but I have to jump in here. I've read almost all the comments and I'm amazed, but in a sad way. We haven't been 'back' because we never went to begin with. THE EARTH IS FLAT!!! You linked the Ewaranon documentary and that is where you should all start. Forget the fact that 'space' (as we are brainwashed) is physically and scientifically impossible, just look at the world of construction. It's simple geometry. How do you find LEVEL on a ball??(NO ONE has ever been taught this in school) I'll help you.... YOU CAN'T.
All measurements must have a reference point. On a 'globe', that point MUST be the center of the sphere. Which means what? It means that you will NEVER be able to have vertical parallel lines to construct a wall, let alone a building over 2000 feet tall (in Dubai). In the same vain, you can't have perpendicular on that sphere BECAUSE THERE IS NO LEVEL POINT ANYWHERE.
Every blueprint that has ever been created has ONE thing in common, a flat level surface. Now that's not to say there aren't elevation changes, like mountains and valleys. But there has never been an accounting for curvature on said blueprints. And I guarantee if you ask every surveyor what their formula was to account for said curvature, they'll look at you like you have three heads.
Besides, water is the only proof you need. It's called sea LEVEL for a reason. The word horizontal comes from HORIZON, not CURVIZON😳😂 and water cannot flow UP the ball, like the Nile or even the Amazon. It always seeks the lowest point.
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The moon is mentioned dozens of times in The Bible, so I'm going to say it's real.